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I created a new blog in which to converse with willing interlocutors and pontificate about missiological and ecclesiological ideas. Suddenly, it came time to inaugurate my blog with a post. I was at a loss, how does one immediately jump waste deep into the deeper issues of how theology intersects with sociology and anthropology. There is a part of me that wants delve right into issues of insider movements, modalities and sodalities, and postmodern expressions of faith in Jesus. But there is another part of me that feels like a need to warm up to such issues.

An issue that currently troubles me is how to reconcile the Way of Jesus with public policy and inevitable institutionalization. A simple reading of the four biographies of Jesus in the Scriptures seems to suggest that Jesus initiated a subversive movement. It was a movement that challenged the principalities and powers (mentioned by Paul) of the day. The mere news of Jesus’ arrival launched a province-wide infanticide campaign. The high religious leaders were continually unhappy about his existence. Static theological constructs, religious institutions, and political manipulating was suddenly being unveiled as irrelevant to God’s purposes of seeing his world become in tune with his wishes.

Jesus and his band of followers seemed like a little upstart group going up against dominating powers. This insignificant group of uneducated men and women continued the struggle even after their leader’s early physical departure from earth. In a matter of three hundred years, this smattering of peasants turned into a well-oiled ecclesiastical machine. So significant was this machine that politicians began to affiliate and enemy nations became weary of Christians in their own lands. It wasn’t much longer before the church was fully in bed with the state. Accessorized with the sign of the cross, politicians, clergy, and generals exploited every ounce of power they could out of the church. But, why not? Every politician is going to pander to the majority.

It is my desire to see as many people as possible change their allegiance to the Way of Jesus. I don’t just desire a few people to do so, I want the majority of people to do so (if not all). Equipped with the teaches and example of Jesus and bolstered by ever-present companionship, the masses coming to Jesus should spark revolutions of love, reconciliation and hope. We so often talk of societal transformation due to a movement towards Christ. And to a certain degree this kind of transformation occurs. Valuing humans of every socioeconomic level regardless of gender, ethnicity, and status are by-products of whole nations becoming “Christian.” The troubling part for me, is that the church always institutionalizes and joins in the power-grab of the rest.

Why don’t we see more of a drastic change when a culture becomes more than 50% Christian? Why are places that have an overwhelming majority of its citizens going to church still mired by poverty, racism, crime, and immorality (sometimes to a worse degree than places with a minority of Jesus-followers)?


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sdawg said...

Of course there are probably numerous factors. One factor is probably that people became "church members" rather than disciples. You can have a whole lot of church members attending and sustaining institutions without much personal and societal transformation going on. In mission we know how to gather a crowd and put a steeple over them, but we don't seem to know how to make disciples. (I don't recall Jesus ever commissioning the former, but the later of course was the great commission. Where did we get off that boat? Constantine?) If people were never personally discipled, should we be surprised when they don't themselves disciple the succeeding generation of Christians.

For some thought provoking talks on the topic of the failure of and myth of Christian societies vs. a subversive mustard seed kingdom, let me recommend: http://www.crossandthesword.org/

Antonio said...

When Christianity is the majority it usually creates a lot of Culture Christians. They join the masses not because they want to follow Christ, but because they want to be like every body else. Then they want to protect their little society and start building up walls to keep others out that might mess up their version of utopia. They also become more concerned with creating a "Christian Society" that they lose sight of (or never had sight of) the true message of Christ.

Chris and Tiffany said...

I used to think that Christian nations had more a moral character than nations that were not Christian. I used to think that we were so benevolent and giving towards other countries because somewhere a long time ago there used to be a nation that followed God. Honestly, I am not sure that the U.S was ever truly a God following nation. I have to look back at the dark history of
"Christian nations" such as during the colonial period in Africa when King Leopold would enlsave thousands of Africans in the Congo in order to produce more rubber in order for little chiildren to have bikes to ride in back in Europe. I also wonder how, in the late 70's, the United States supported a cambodian government that was responsible for killing over 2 million Cambodians for no other reason than being enemies of the communist Vietnam. I also question the moral integrity of so called Christian nations when I see how the United States uses the world bank to enlsave many third world countries. However, I seem to have more questions than answers. I guess you have to stop looking at how Christ changes a nation, because once you do that you only find yourself disapointed. I wonder if we, as true followers of Christ, are destined to be in the very small minority. I do know that Christ truly transformed his 12 disciples in a really amazing way. That same transformation hasn't seemed to take place yet on the national level. I hope it never does. Jesus just seems more real to me if his face wasn't pasted to a billboard or stuck to the television screen. I like my Christ non-corporate. Maybe Jesus always intended to be a radical. Maybe, just like he never wanted to be a part of the establishment while on earth, he still doesn't want to be a part of the establishment while living in our hearts today. He is still too much of a rebel to ever let humanity take him and shape him the way that suits themselves.

Chris and Tiffany said...

wow sdawg, you a really about hard corp descipling, but do you really think that the truth lies in that? I think that is only a method. It doesn't get at the root of the issues. The method can't cure the problem.

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M Crane said...

Chris, so what would you say IS the issue? Is it not, at least in large part, a lack of Christ-likeness? And isn't discipleship supposed to be something that encourages that among His followers? I wonder what you think of when you hear the word "discipleship". I believe that's what Jesus spent a huge chunk of His time on earth doing with His close followers, discipling them, so it would seem to be a path worth following. It seems like it's a lot more than a method - it's life with Jesus.
This is Karen.

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Chris, so what would you say IS the issue? Is it not, at least in large part, a lack of Christ-likeness? And isn't discipleship supposed to be something that encourages that among His followers? I wonder what you think of when you hear the word "discipleship". I believe that's what Jesus spent a huge chunk of His time on earth doing with His close followers, discipling them, so it would seem to be a path worth following. It seems like it's a lot more than a method - it's life with Jesus.

Chris and Tiffany said...

Karen,
I am not saying that I do not believe in discipleship. One of the questions Michael posed in his first blog was why is it that nations where the majority of the people are Christians don't seem to act any better than nations where there is a non-Christian majority. Sdawg thought that the answer lied in the fact that we aren't discipling enough. That may be true, but I don't feel like it sufficiently answers the question as to why it is that Christian nations don't act Christian. I totally agree with discipleship, however I don't feel like a lack of it is why the United States doesn't reflect the values of Christ. I think that we are missing something here. I am not exactly sure what that something is, but once that something happens, discipleship will naturally fall into place. One of the answers I came to in my ramblings was that maybe we are looking at things the wrong way. Maybe we shouldn't judge it nation by nation but rather community by community.

sdawg said...

chris and tiffany: Thanks for commenting on my post. Like I said in my post "there are probably numerous factors." So, I don't think the whole ball of wax lies in discipling. I do think its a big part though. And not just any kind of discipling will do. It would have to be life-transferrance and not just info-transferrence or not just fill-in-the-blank workbooks from Family Christian Stores. I do think there is something crucial about making disciples(not just converts or "church attenders") since Jesus commissioned his disciples for that work right before his ascension. "As you go, make disciples..." Our methods aren't just methods, they also contain content in and of themselves. Only about %15 of communication is verbal. The bulk of communication is non-verbal. Hence, our methods often embody the message.

But if I were to take a stab at some of the other potential factors in the failure of Christian societies to have the quality of the kingdom:

-INCOMPLETE GOSPEL. I'd agree with Scot Mcknight [www.jesuscreed.org] that part of our problem is the gospel that is given to people is reductionist and so doesn't do all it should as it works itself out in people's lives over time.

-CONSTANTINIAN KERNEL I also think there is probably a missing element in these societies of leaders not teaching that as followers of Jesus we are not to grasp after power and legislate our morality and beliefs. We are not to "trust in chariots." We are not to grasp and take military and state resources and trust in them for changing society. So there is a Constantinian kernel among many in these places that has not yet been rooted out by the Spirit and by the teaching of counter-cultural teachers of the Word.

No doubt there are other factors. These were just a couple more to add to the list.

sdawg said...

Ah, I think I see where the mix up maybe is:

I actually don't think nation states can really embody JC values. When they do here and there we should be surprised. So I don't see discipling or other things as a way to get nation states to embody JC values. I see discipling and other things as possible long-term ways of addressing the fact that many countries have large populations of Christian believers who don't seem to be living their lives very much in accordance to the way of JC. These believers are often shallow in their faith (undiscipled, etc) and are at the whim of whatever mesmerizing preacher or politician can sway them or scare them toward their agendas. I think people trying to make governments Christian is actually part of the whole problem.

Chris and Tiffany said...

SDawg, great comment about discipleship being more about the way we live life with others than the way we teach life to others. That comment makes me realize that discipleship really is more than a method, it's a way of life. I think that one problem in the world is that people who are apt to speak about God on a street corner doesn't necessarily have the best means of helping non believers understand who JC really is, however people who do a great job living the love of Christ perhaps aren't intentional enough (myself being a VERY big part of this comment) about letting others know what makes them who they are. Unfortunately, all the loud boisterous ones get all of the attention, ahem ahem Jerry Fallwell ahem ahem Pat Robertson. I wish the world could be given a fresh new perspective about Christ's life. I think that there are some people starting to do a really good job of that such as Rick Warren with his work in Rwanda. I think that it's more than just publicity though. I think that believers need to do a much better job of contextualizing the gospel not just to different people groups, but to different generations as well. Of course, the whole answer doesn't lie in this fact, its just a part of the much bigger problem.

sdawg said...

chris and tiffany,

Great thoughts. I really agree. I recently heard someone detail some research from the 90's about how people came to faith in the US. I have no ideas of the particular definitions they were using or the quality of the survey. I'd like to read more about some surveys like this if I get the opportunity. But the conclusion of the survey was that some very large percentage of people who'd continued in their faith in Christ had come to faith in Christ as an adult primarily through some kind of fairly strong relationship like a friend or family member. There might have been other things that helped (like an event they went to or something) but they identified the primary factor as a significant relationship.

Then the survey looked at Christians (I think it was evangelicals) and how many significant relationship they had with a non-Christian. The result was the average Christian having 1.5 non-Christian significant relationships. Again, I don't know how they were defining these things, but it has interesting implications.

Also, I've recently been re-reading Rodney Stark's "The Rise of Christianity" and have been struck with how strong of an argument he makes that religious movements (and he applies this to the early Church also) primarily spread through relational networks via strong relational attachments. He did field research on the Moonies in the 60's and then has done some on other groups like the Mormons since then. Their numbers have over time swelled primarily through relational attachments and not through door to door, big rally events, or other mass things. He also argues that new rel movements enter mainly through the religiously uncommitted and not through the conservative of a society.

However, the Falwells, Robertsons, and Bushes of the air waves do have an influence on people. I fear they put people on the defensive and put people in a posture against anything related with Jesus because of the strong associations with certain vocal cultural and religious right political groups.

But I guess we can take hope. If the sociologists are in fact correct, the main battle we fight is not against air waves and mega-preachers or pop right-wing politicians, but our struggle is primarily on a micro-level as we give ourselves in embracing the lost relationally through significant attachments or not. It comes down to ourselves and our own little fledgling communities of Jesus scattered in this world.

Giving myself relationally to the lost is an area that I've never walked in well since high school. Its so hard when you build up patterns in your life of simply "playing tag" with the lost or just hanging out with your cozy Christian buddies.

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